[Scilab-users] Where is the best place for Scilab - xcos / ScicosLab - scicos questions and bug report?

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Lately I have been using SciLab - xcos / ScicosLab - scicos and have had
several bugs and questions. Have tried the relevant StackOverFlow tag:

 *  SciLab <https://stackoverflow.com/search?tab=newest&q=scilab>  
 *  ScicosLab <https://stackoverflow.com/search?tab=newest&q=scicoslab>  
 *  scicos <https://stackoverflow.com/search?tab=newest&q=scicos>  
 *  xcos <https://stackoverflow.com/search?tab=newest&q=xcos>  

but it seems deserted, ended up answering my own questions. :) Also  the
twitter account <https://twitter.com/Scilab>   is not responsive. The forums
I have found here and  here
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/comp.soft-sys.math.scilab>   are
also not working properly. I have posted several questions, none
published/answered.  This subreddit <https://www.reddit.com/r/scilab/>   is
also almost empty :(   the IRC channel <http://irc://irc.oftc.net/scilab>  
is also empty. I was wondering if you could help me know where is the best
place to ask questions and also report bugs? maybe you have a
Slack/Discord/Gitter chat rooms?




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Hello Farimani,

Le 22/02/2019 à 09:51, farimani a écrit :

> Lately I have been using SciLab - xcos / ScicosLab - scicos and have had
> several bugs and questions. Have tried the relevant StackOverFlow tag:
>
>   *  SciLab <https://stackoverflow.com/search?tab=newest&q=scilab>
>   *  ScicosLab <https://stackoverflow.com/search?tab=newest&q=scicoslab>
>   *  scicos <https://stackoverflow.com/search?tab=newest&q=scicos>
>   *  xcos <https://stackoverflow.com/search?tab=newest&q=xcos>
>
> but it seems deserted, ended up answering my own questions. :) Also  the
> twitter account <https://twitter.com/Scilab>   is not responsive. The forums
> I have found here and  here
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/comp.soft-sys.math.scilab>   are
> also not working properly.

This usenet forum was my first place to post about Scilab 20 years ago,
before Google came with its groups.
Groups have complicated things, the traffic decreased, the ratio
spam/signal dramatically increased,
and now... this forum is almost dead, i guess. But its archives survive ;-)

> I have posted several questions, none published/answered.
Indeed, some of your messages have been published only today, from 1 to
3 days after posting...
Great to see that you are not discouraged by such an abnormal delay...!


> This subreddit <https://www.reddit.com/r/scilab/>   is
> also almost empty :(   the IRC channel <http://irc://irc.oftc.net/scilab>
> is also empty. I was wondering if you could help me know where is the best
> place to ask questions and also report bugs? maybe you have a
> Slack/Discord/Gitter chat rooms?

The official mailing lists listed
@https://www.scilab.org/about/community/mailing-lists
are the best places to post your questions and answers. So if they do
not work properly,
it's a big issue, indeed. It's always possible to post questions
directly on the archives
web interface. They are should be published online immediately (i
guess), but
not sent to the list

The official bug tracker http://bugzilla.scilab.org
is the only place to search for a bug's anteriority and history, and to
report
new native Scilab bugs.
For external modules, for modules having a forge with a tickets system,
the forge is
the best place to report their bugs, as for the SIMM module
https://atoms.scilab.org/toolboxes/SIMM
Its description ends with a "Report a bug" link to its forge:
http://forge.scilab.org/index.php/p/SIMM/issues/
This is the best and only place for this module.

For external ATOMS modules not having any forge, comments on their ATOMS
pages are the best way to report their bugs.

HTH
Samuel

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Hi Farimani

You've found it - this mailing list seems to be the best place.

Best regards,
Claus

On 22.02.2019 09:51, farimani wrote:

> Lately I have been using SciLab - xcos / ScicosLab - scicos and have had
> several bugs and questions. Have tried the relevant StackOverFlow tag:
>
>   *  SciLab <https://stackoverflow.com/search?tab=newest&q=scilab>
>   *  ScicosLab <https://stackoverflow.com/search?tab=newest&q=scicoslab>
>   *  scicos <https://stackoverflow.com/search?tab=newest&q=scicos>
>   *  xcos <https://stackoverflow.com/search?tab=newest&q=xcos>
>
> but it seems deserted, ended up answering my own questions. :) Also  the
> twitter account <https://twitter.com/Scilab>   is not responsive. The forums
> I have found here and  here
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/comp.soft-sys.math.scilab>   are
> also not working properly. I have posted several questions, none
> published/answered.  This subreddit <https://www.reddit.com/r/scilab/>   is
> also almost empty :(   the IRC channel <http://irc://irc.oftc.net/scilab>
> is also empty. I was wondering if you could help me know where is the best
> place to ask questions and also report bugs? maybe you have a
> Slack/Discord/Gitter chat rooms?
>
>
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It would be nice if you could also be more present on Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/search?q=scilab&sort=new

and StackOverflow:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/scilab?sort=newest

those are the places where most people go for their questions. I have tried
my best to answer as many questions as I can but my knowledge of Scilab is
embarrassingly limited.



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Le 10/03/2019 à 23:40, farimani a écrit :

> It would be nice if you could also be more present on Reddit:
>
> https://www.reddit.com/search?q=scilab&sort=new
>
> and StackOverflow:
>
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/scilab?sort=newest
>
> those are the places where most people go for their questions. I have tried
> my best to answer as many questions as I can but my knowledge of Scilab is
> embarrassingly limited.

I have no reason to spread and dilute contributions on many sites.
To answer the same questions in several places.
Already, IMO there are too many official Scilab lists. Most of them are
almost dead.


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Samuel GOUGEON wrote
> I have no reason to spread and dilute contributions on many sites.
> To answer the same questions in several places.
> Already, IMO there are too many official Scilab lists. Most of them are
> almost dead.

Dear Samuel,

Like it or not people don't like to sign up here in these forums or mailing
lists to ask their questions. Reddit and StackOverflow/StackExchange are the
place they go. They already have nice formatting environment, they have
mobile apps...

During the last couple of days I have tried to answer new questions as much
as my crippled Scilab skills allow. We don't have to answer repetitive
questions. If there are questions for which there is already an answer we
can just point them to the right place. I want to urge you and other Scilab
experts to take a look at the most visited unanswered questions here:

https://stackoverflow.com/unanswered/tagged/scilab

and help them as much as you can.

Best regards,
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Dear Farmiani

> De : farimani
> Envoyé : jeudi 21 mars 2019 09:56
>
> Like it or not

Well like it or not,
I can't figure an editor without an official mailing list,
which is the present one for Scilab.

This is far different from languages that have several implementations
and where users are not customers of a specific editor.
Reddit and StackOverflow/StackExchange are great tools for Python/NumPy for example.

This is not the case here because although it is free,
there is only one editor for Scilab.

Now people are free of course to question and answer where they like
but as the community of users is also the community of customers of the editor,
and as this mailing list is also the place to reach the developers,
Samuel and others (like me) do post on this mailing list.

And our days only have 24 hours amongst which we have
sleeping time, commuting time, labour time, free time,
not all of us are able to watch over multiple communication channels.

But we all read your call and everyone here will decide for themselves.

Thank you for the interest you have for Scilab and for your efforts to promote it,
sorry if only few of us can contribute elsewhere than here.

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I think we must say a big "thank you" to the developers and maintainers
of such a great program as Scilab, which has in addition such a great
official support system. While it is important that other sites are
contributing to its spread, we cannot really ask official supporters be
omnipresent in all discussions on Scilab worldwide.

Federico Miyara


On 10/03/2019 21:10, Samuel Gougeon wrote:

> Le 10/03/2019 à 23:40, farimani a écrit :
>> It would be nice if you could also be more present on Reddit:
>>
>> https://www.reddit.com/search?q=scilab&sort=new
>>
>> and StackOverflow:
>>
>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/scilab?sort=newest
>>
>> those are the places where most people go for their questions. I have
>> tried
>> my best to answer as many questions as I can but my knowledge of
>> Scilab is
>> embarrassingly limited.
>
> I have no reason to spread and dilute contributions on many sites.
> To answer the same questions in several places.
> Already, IMO there are too many official Scilab lists. Most of them
> are almost dead.
>
>
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I would like to thank Stéphane Mottelet for taking the initiative and being
present on StackOverflow. Thanks to his support now almost all new questions
there have proper answers from a professional:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/scilab

I know it is too much work while basically the whole Scilab project is being
handled by 3 core developers at this moment. Thanks to his support we see
more people encouraged to use the software and this hopefully will stimulate
a positive momentum.



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Le 26/03/2019 à 21:02, farimani a écrit :

> I would like to thank Stéphane Mottelet for taking the initiative and being
> present on StackOverflow. Thanks to his support now almost all new questions
> there have proper answers from a professional:
My personal experience is that the traffic on [hidden email] is
mostly composed of messages from rather experienced users talking to
each other. On the other hand, on  StackOverflow I see messages of
newcomers who don't even know the existence of an official mailing list.
I think we should fix this. But how ?
>
> https://antispam.utc.fr/proxy/2/c3RlcGhhbmUubW90dGVsZXRAdXRjLmZy/stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/scilab
>
> I know it is too much work while basically the whole Scilab project is being
> handled by 3 core developers at this moment.
I must say that I am not one of these...
>   Thanks to his support we see
> more people encouraged to use the software and this hopefully will stimulate
> a positive momentum.

As I already said above, I am not sure that answering questions on
StackOverflow is a good idea. I am not saying that
[hidden email] shoud be the ONLY place but competent persons are
more easily reached there.

S.

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Hello,

> De : Stéphane Mottelet
> Envoyé : mercredi 27 mars 2019 08:27
>

> on  StackOverflow I see messages of newcomers who
> don't even know the existence of an official mailing list.
> I think we should fix this. But how ?

The information is already present at the bottom of the welcome page of the inline help.

It is obviously not enough.

I suggest the "Documentation and help" section should be at the top
and should contain the link to the list
(it is in the "Other ressources" section).

I don't know if there is a "Tip" box that shows up
(I there is one, I deactivated it for a long time :-) )
but it could/should be there to.

Shall we fill in a wishlist?

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Le 27/03/2019 à 08:47, Dang Ngoc Chan, Christophe a écrit :
Hello,

De : Stéphane Mottelet
Envoyé : mercredi 27 mars 2019 08:27


      
on  StackOverflow I see messages of newcomers who
don't even know the existence of an official mailing list.
I think we should fix this. But how ?
The information is already present at the bottom of the welcome page of the inline help.

It is obviously not enough.

I suggest the "Documentation and help" section should be at the top
and should contain the link to the list
(it is in the "Other ressources" section).

I agree.

With Octave, main links are displayed in the ASCII banner at the startup.

With Scilab, all things are in the "?" main menu. This menu could be improved:
  • first, it could be renamed more explicitly, for instance "Info" instead of "?"

  • second: it should be updated:
    • AFAIK, "Scilab enterprises" no longer exists. BTW, the main thing is to point to the "Scilab portal".
    • All goodies that are not already reachable through the toolbar are hidden in the "Links" submenu. BTW, the "Mailing lists" URL is outdated and leads to a 404 error.
    • A "Subscribe to Help lists" item could be added in the main list (not as a Link). It could display the "How to subscribe" information in the console.
Regards
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Le 27/03/2019 à 08:47, Dang Ngoc Chan, Christophe a écrit :

> Hello,
>
>> De : Stéphane Mottelet
>> Envoyé : mercredi 27 mars 2019 08:27
>>
>> on  StackOverflow I see messages of newcomers who
>> don't even know the existence of an official mailing list.
>> I think we should fix this. But how ?
> The information is already present at the bottom of the welcome page of the inline help.
>
> It is obviously not enough.
>
> I suggest the "Documentation and help" section should be at the top
> and should contain the link to the list
> (it is in the "Other ressources" section).

Still about this help page: Unfortunately, it is not reachable from the
online help.
Yet, this page is interesting since it gathers pointers to many key
ressources, while
these pointers are spread in all menus/pages of the Scilab portal.

[As well, the CHANGES page is hardly reachable: We have to type
"CHANGES" in the search engine to get the page selected and displayed.]

Samuel

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Dear Stéphane,

It will certainly help to point more new users to this mailing list. However
I would argue that it is not just a matter of knowing this place but if this
place is attractive enough for new-comers:

1. Many users already have StackOverflow accounts and they don't have to go
through another registration process, which unfortunately is not very easy
on different Scilab related websites (e.g. ATOMS)

2. One StackOverflow I can use MarkDown / HTML to format my question /
answer nicely, include images ...

3. Some employees noways check the StackOverflow profiles. So it is a
motivation for many young generation to have a nice profile. in fact this
seems to be the reason why Python community is boosting up so fast.

please consider that I'm not saying this mailing list should be abandoned
nor replaced. I'm just saying a significant portion of Scilab users are
seeking help and ignoring them would not be beneficial for the community.

on a side note this Google group also deserves some attention:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/comp.soft-sys.math.scilab

some questions are asked there with no proper answers.



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Le 28/03/2019 à 09:23, farimani a écrit :
> .../...
>
> 2. One StackOverflow I can use MarkDown / HTML to format my question /
> answer nicely, include images ...

Markdown / HTML tagging are definitely not handy.
With my mailing sofware (Thunderbird), styling the text or including
inline images in any message is straightforward, just as with an
enriched text editor: select the text / apply the style | itemized or
ordered lists, and that's it.
Same thing to create a table, add or delete or select a column|row, etc.
Very hopefully i don't need any tag to do such stuff.
Just as easy as in OpenWriter.

Samuel

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Following this topic about active Scilab communities i have found that this
forum:

https://scilab.in/forum

which belongs to the FOSSEE.in for Indian Institute of Technology of Bombai
is comparatively active. It would be great if the communities could be
connected as much as possible.

Best,
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Le 01/04/2019 à 21:40, farimani a écrit :
> Following this topic about active Scilab communities i have found that this
> forum:
>
> https://scilab.in/forum

Nice catch.

> which belongs to the FOSSEE.in for Indian Institute of Technology of Bombai
> is comparatively active. It would be great if the communities could be
> connected as much as possible.

+1.
It would be interesting to know why they deemed preferable to open a
separate forum, instead of using [hidden email]. If any Indian
subscriber is reading us, every contribution is welcome!

This low-traffic forum has no search engine. So unfortunately it can't
be used as a knowledge database (and it can't be added among resources
used by uman(@). Otherwise, i would have been glad to add it.)

Regards
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Dear Samuel,

My suggestion would be that some of us to create accounts there (I have
already done), try to answer some of questions and then kindly invite them
here.

BTW  whenever I find new Scilab islands I add them to this Reddit post I
wrote while ago:

https://www.reddit.com/r/scilab/comments/atf5vq/where_is_the_best_place_for_scilab_xcos_scicoslab/

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